Hello Team,
Is there any detailed documentation available comparing the functionalities of ARIS 7.1 and ARIS 9.7? We are planning an upgrade and it would be of great help to be able to compare:
1) What was in 7.1 but not in 9.7 anymore?
2) What was in 7.1 and has been further enhanced in 9.7?
3) What is in 9.7 but not in 7.1?
Regards,
Deepak J Irde
Hi Alexander / Deepak,
I both agree and disagree with Alexander...
Yes the pricing structure of ARIS has changed so much that the local operations of SAG can't provide a quote in less than 2 days (I have waited more than 3 weeks for a quote), which is totally ridiculous. Normally this took less than 2 hours. The root cause of this is that it seems as if they do not have a fixed pricelist. I work with various ARIS clients in our market and SAG can provide quotes for the same products for two different clients, but the huge price differences between the quotes are baffling.
More baffling is when we tried to buy an add-on component for ARIS 7.2, we were told we can't just buy the SAP add-on for one of the existing Architect licenses the client already owned, but they had to buy a new Architect with the SAP license. What have changed in ARIS' architecture that disables the add-on features that has been a part of ARIS for such a long time. When asked if it is the same for ARIS 9.7 the answer is no, still possible to buy the add-on for ARIS 9.7. WTF? So it seems that even if a client WANT to buy a specific product, SAG will rather walk away from a done deal by inflating the price by more than 3 times what it should be by being inflexible with their pricing and product offerings.
I find ARIS 9.7 slow in corporate environments, especially when using McAfee On access scanner. I takes more than 20 mins to start my LOCAL on my office laptop, but less than a minute on my private laptop... Our server does stop itself every now and again, and I have not been able to figure out why, so I also have stability issues, but so did 7 for that matter.
That said, it would not be fair to advise Deepak not to upgrade at all, or to claim that no new functionalities have been added. The solution has been rebuilt to enable cloud enablement. I believe that ARIS Connect is the way to go, but it comes at a price. What price? Well here it is between $80000 - $120000, depending on the client. There is also the the other new features such as the Table model type, the ad-hoc analysis, etc.
The other thing to consider is that ARIS 7.2 is going to be de-supported from around June 2015. So if you are paying maintenance, and you do not upgrade, you effectively lose you "Investment".
Deepak, you can have a look at my blog for more detail, it is not in the format you are looking for, but should give you some insight.
http://www.blog.bpmutils.com/should-you-upgrade-to-aris-9/
In the end, the best thing to do is test it yourself and with your users and decide then. With VMs these days it should not cost you anything.
Rgs,
Francois
Dear Alexander,
The ARIS Community is actually meant to receive questions from ARIS users about installing and using ARIS. And Software AG appreciates that as most posts are being answered.
However, you won't find posts of customers who have successfully and smoothly migrated from ARIS 7 to ARIS 9, simply because they are happy and have no reason to post here. And we have many of them.
On your company's webpage you are offering services for ARIS 7: http://bps.org.ua/aris.html. But I can't find ARIS 9 there.
►How come that you are able to answer Deepak's questions about ARIS 9?
On http://bps.org.ua/aris/kupit-aris.html you are refer to your partnership with Software AG.
►Did you attend an ARIS 9 enablement training for Software AG partners? Many other partners are already offering ARIS 9 services.
I am happy to get in contact with you and discuss how to enable your team for offering ARIS 9 services.
Cheers
Rune
Dear Francios,
I am happy that you commented on Alexander's reply with your own experience and advices. After all, everyone posting here on the ARIS Community is seeking for help.
I can't comment on your complain about the local sales team in South Africa. But let me know if you feel they treated you unfairly.
You know that ARIS 7 is no more on sale and reached end of maintenance by end of 2014. But investments in ARIS 7 are NOT lost at all. All ARIS 7 products or add-ons with an ongoing maintenance contract are entitled to receive ARIS 9 products with the same set of features and even some new features, e.g. the spreadsheet models you mentioned and many more.
I enjoy reading your blog about ARIS 9 as it shows your profound knowledge on ARIS 9, e.g. in how to get started on ARIS 9.
McAfee and other anti-virus scanners are known for slowing down any application. As a matter of fact, McAfee is a standard at Software AG. But our IT folks set a McAfee policy to exclude the ARIS folders. I think your IT is able to do the same.
If you have an ongoing issue with an instable ARIS installation the best is to let our support people help you to track down and eliminate the root-cause.
So keep up your good work with and for ARIS, and feel free to post your feedback and concerns right here.
Cheers
Rune
Dear Deepak,
Your question are spanning a very long period of time. The last time ARIS 7 had been updated was Dec 2010. ARIS 9.0 had been released April 2013, and in Feb 2015 we have released ARIS 9.7 SR1. Of course, lots of changes and improvements and new products have been developed in the mean time.
A major concern I often hear from customers, who are saying they are happy with ARIS 7, is that ARIS 9 requires so much more hardware. Well, 5-8 years ago computer hardware was much more expensive and software was less capable. ARIS 9 is based on scalable cloud architecture, enabling customers to easily scale up by expanding their distributed installation without neither the need to reinstall ARIS nor to replace their hardware. To your questions:1) "What was in 7.1 but not in 9.7 anymore?"
In general, there no feature lost which you had in ARIS 7.1. Some products/add-ons have been put together in base products. The many different Architects are now mostly so called Extension Packs. But when migrating you won't miss a feature. In fact, you get some new features in Architect, Queries/Ad-hoc Analyses ot name just one.
2) "What was in 7.1 and has been further enhanced in 9.7?"
For ARIS 9 we implemented many ideas from our large customer base to improve ARIS. Just a few points:
A good start for you is this post about 9.0. And more recent improvements as overview are here: ►9.5 ►9.6 ►9.7
3) "What is in 9.7 but not in 7.1?"
With ARIS 9 you can work completely browser-based using a new product, ARIS Connect, offering social collaboration for discussing process improvements on the process context, eliminating the need to email model screenshots or reports to keep everyone informed.
And if you want to run ARIS Connect in the cloud instead of installing and administrating it on your premises, then start with ARIS Cloud.
Best would be that you get in contact with Software AG India and ask for remote/onsite presentation matching your current scope of using ARIS 7 and discussing the potential of ARIS 9 to make your job as process manager easier.
Cheers
Rune
Dear Rune,
Thanks for your response. You are right in saying that it is a quite a jump from 7.1 to 9.7 and hence direct comparisons will not be available. Will go through the links you have provided and get back if I have any further queries.
Dear Alexander / Francois,
Thanks for your posts as well.
Regards,
Deepak J Irde
Hi Rune,
I was going through this thread and found it very interesting. I have been working on ARIS 7 all these years and now my client is planning an upgrade to ARIS 9. I have not seen the product in detail yet but would like to ask you a simple question. Having had a significant experience in working with ARIS 7 would my transition to ARIS 9 be smooth as well? Do people who have worked with ARIS 7 find it easy to work with ARIS 9 as well? Looking forward to your expert views.
Thanks,
Amiyangshu
Dear Amiyangshu,
Yes, in-depth modelers as well as pure process consumers find it easy to migrate from ARIS 7 to 9. For ARIS Business Designer/Architects 7.x migrating to ARIS Designer/Architect 9.x we provide so called Interactive Guides to find quickly their way through the new ribbons and different context menus:
Don't miss the chance to get to know ARIS Connect Server, which comes, among many other new capabilities, with browser-based modeling client (ARIS Connect Designer). It provides a convenient way way to "switch" by one mouse click from consuming published process content (as you know it from ARIS Business Publisher) to a modeler simplified compared to ARIS Architect.
Cheers
Rune
Dears
I work in management consultancy firm and we just heard about aris software. can someone please illustrate the features of aris software and why it is better than visio.
kind regards
Dear Ahmed,
Your question doesn't belong to the topic of the above discussion. So I suggest you post once more as a new discussion.
But before you do so, please review the past discussions about ARIS vs. Visio:
Cheers
Rune